
02. 01. 2008
Bands Of The Free by Phang Kuan Hoong
Across the room, "Green Street Hooligans" was playing with wide-eye Elijah Wood getting punches in the face to the background of some Brit-pop music I couldn't really name.
Drawing deep on his cigarette, Dini began: "Hey Phang, do you know Adrian? Adrian Yap? He did a review about Bittersweet on (online magazine) Think. He was kind of harsh about Pijie's lyrics. I mean, he starts off the review naming all these great musicians and then compares us to them, saying that our lyrics don't mean anything.
“To me, Pijie's lyrics works for me, I could relate to them. And it's not like we're, say, Jim Morrison wannabes or anything. It's not fair to compare us that way. Besides, I don't think someone who's in a band should review other bands. Because that's kind of like saying your own band is better."
I did a mental double-take. A considerable double-take. In a land where quality music reviews are depressingly scarce in both the mainstream and alternative media, we indie musicians can't exactly afford to cast off good reviewers just because they're musicians.
I agree with the fragility of drawing harsh comparisons with famed legendary musicians and local ones, but there is absolutely no point in ignoring constructive criticism and confusing professional role-playing with ego-trips.
Yet, this seems to be somewhat of a "trend-of-thought" among local indie musicians these days.
"I don't think we're quite ready for honest criticism yet. We become defensive when confronted with our own flaws and I don't think that's going to change very soon because that's the culture we're used to," says Faiz, an avid indie music fan and musician of sorts.
“But I think overall, the art form is progressing, the scene is progressing and it's a great sign that changes will come eventually”, he continues.
Media and corporate attention: Miracle or menace?
In 2007, the Malaysian indie music scene had been given heaps of attention far more than previously. Media coverage increased with the introduction of Junk Magazine in the last quarter of 2006 while entertainment-media businesses began to allocate air-time for indie music. Corporate businesses (especially telcos) began to realize the increasing youth market potential in the scene previously untapped and ignored while fashion brands are turning their seasons over to "nu-rave" -- the current favourite look of young indie hipsters.
All this have meant promotional miracles and a resulting sheen -- not without a subtle "Malaysia Boleh!" aura -- for the indie music scene. Show organisers no longer need to hit the streets and distribute gig flyers. Musicians can upload their music on an increasing number of dedicated websites and receive instant response while indie fashion labels are taking on names beyond the hipster periphery.
However, with this sudden burst of perceived "coolness", the questions loom: Is the scene ready for this? Will the corporate sponsors taint the outright honesty and dignified purity we've worked so hard and long for?
Indie musician Pa’an observes: "The scene had always moved according to routine; we go forward a little, then we become saturated and stagnant, and then we either progress some more or we fall back again to where we used to be.
“Right now, I think we're at the point where we're beginning to stagnate. We have a number of good bands out there and as a whole, it's a considerably diversified scene here but we are also seeing bands which are just jumping on to the whole new-wave/indie-pop band wagon."
Where we got better
Curiously, the current local indie music trend bears a close resemblance to the new-wave/nu-rave Brit-pop UK (not including the evergreen punk, hardcore and metal collectives) revival in the. The emergence of bands like Franz Ferdinand, The Killers, Bloc Party, Keane, Coldplay, and Artic Monkeys has arguably created a massive change towards music preferences here.
Indie Mod masters Bittersweet is probably the first band to bring the genre to the stage, pioneering the new Brit-wave. More bands have since emerged with similar new Brit-wave repertoires.
They Will Kill Us All evolved from the shadows of Bloc Party to a marriage of Brit music influences -- a total becoming of a true musical identity while Hujan is the new raging indie phenomenon, so much so that they actually charge a whooping performance fee of RM1,500 per gig.
Other worthy names would be The Otherside Orchestra with their cool brand of tasteful Madchester sound meshed wondrously with a strong 70's disco slant while Komplot and Meet Uncle Hussein's euphoric indie-pop has equal infectious funk to get any crowd head bopping. I've mentioned in a previous review of a gig that the new Brit-wave is something worth embracing and these names are but some that I personally think have brought local indie music to a whole new level.
Where we’re dragging our feet
However, the concern of imitation over originality still exists and as more bands follow this trend, a saturation of similar bands has begun to emerge. What is more worrying is that, while the indie music is finally beginning to see some progress, the scene's mechanisms have not.
Show organisers are still struggling with finances, musicians are still stuck with day jobs and there has yet to be any indie labels with the managerial capability of sticking up to the big boys. Even the two inaugural giant music fests -- Street Roar and Rock The World -- were absent this year reportedly due to sponsorship withdrawals.
The truth is, while corporate entertainment and media businesses tap into the scene for current market potential, the indie music scene itself lacks both the ingenuity and the experience to deal with these.
Laundry Bar, for example, is currently the highest paying gig venue in the Klang Valley that offers free gigs to a crowd of both hipsters and yuppies. But the venue's acoustics is crude at best. While the equipment is relatively good, the set-up is a musician's nightmare; there is only one floor monitor that doesn't seem to function very well, the amps are oddly spaced, the stage system ends up under-powered at times and the resident sound operator … well, let's not go there.
Yet, because it's free and the pay is good, the place attracts huge crowds with top indie musicians.
It’s a case of musicians and scene operators having failed in their negotiations for a better music environment. Performance fee is one thing but quality of our own music is another. If indie key players are unable to realize that businesses like these are equally reliant on the music as we are on them for promotion, it is our music's that ultimately suffers -- without decent performances, there can hardly be real progress.
Fighting the coolness of it all
Nokia's dramatized and stereotypical depiction of scenesters via TV drama series KAMI is another example. Granted that the show has arguably increased public interest among youths about indie music and the scene but it has also created a distorted picture of it, perhaps even to the point of trivializing the depth and cultural significance of local indie music to mere made-for-TV-drama formulae.
In 1997, Hong Kong director Mabel Cheung went to Shu Village in Beijing, China -- the blooming hotbed of Chinese underground music -- to shoot her movie "Beijing Rocks" which was supposed to have been about the scene there. The movie turned out to be a distorted version of the subculture. Half-way through the production, the musicians signed a joint public statement that put across how the film is a lowly, superfluous piece of pop entertainment. The musicians also denied all affiliations with the film.
What have indie musicians here done about KAMI? Do we truly believe that KAMI is a respectable depiction of the scene?
"Most corporates don't really understand what the scene is about but we have to work with them because it's good publicity. We do have a more appreciative and selective indie crowd now but it's really a little too over-rated now. It has become difficult to tell if an audience is really into the music or if they just into the whole “coolness” of it. We have to realize that this isn't just about the image, it goes far deeper than that," said indie T-shirt label operator Gigi.
While the scene still needs time to mature, the once obscure danger of corporate involvement and its resulting distortion of the scene are already apparent. Will indie musicians be able to hold the last bastions of our dignity against these?
As Pa'an so eloquently puts it: "It's not about principles but about the passion for our own work. First comes the music, then the work to promote our music ourselves.”
The rest we can only hope.
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Phang Kuan Hoong plays for the Citizens of Ice-Cream.
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| "Nokia's dramatized and stereotypical depiction of scenesters via TV drama series KAMI ...has also created a distorted picture of it, perhaps even to the point of trivializing the depth and cultural significance of local indie music to mere made-for-TV-drama formulae." a) what "distorted" picture has KAMI created b) what do you think KAMI is about? or perhaps I should just ask what do you think KAMI is about?
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| posted by Phang, Sat 26.01.200818:58:49 PM |
| Thank you Echoaddict, that's exactly what i've been trying to say. and the thing is, it's really not the corporate's fault, that's just the way business is done. the problems is us, the indie community, not asking for what we deserve in corporate media
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| posted by Phang, Sat 26.01.200817:30:50 PM |
| "You still believe there is something essentially wrong with a corporate adding its branding on the scene or a band." Wrong, i believe there is something essentially wrong with bands to not have a mind of their own and easily succumb to the whole "corporates can make you rich and famous, who cares about my dignity" crap. seriously, u have missed the entire point i'm trying to make in this discussion yet again, if you'd like to try and understand my point before again putting words in my mouth, please re-read everything i've written, thank you. "So Disagree happened to have PanGlobal's logo on their album because the company paid for their recording. Does this annoy you?" No, how they want to operate is their business. "How actually does the scene suffer from it? The truth is, it doesn't. " how does it suffer? it doesn't, i never said it does, what have i been saying? please examine these exhibits: "In 2007, the Malaysian indie music scene had been given heaps of attention far more than previously..." "All this have meant promotional miracles and a resulting sheen -- not without a subtle "Malaysia Boleh!" aura -- for the indie music scene..." "...while the indie music is finally beginning to see some progress, the scene's mechanisms have not." "Even the two inaugural giant music fests -- Street Roar and Rock The World -- were absent this year reportedly due to sponsorship withdrawals..." since you seem not to understand what these lines mean at all, here's the lay-man explaination: Corporate attention is doing wonders for the promotion of the local indie music. however, if the corporates are really doing us any obvious good, how come even the only 2 largest music fests in Malaysia are absent last year? where have all the eager corporate sponsors who in your words, "do not make the scene suffer" gone? of course it's not suffering, but where is Rock the World? Where is Street Roar? Where is my local indie music store with the giant corporate logo? Where is my regular indie music coverage in popular lifestyle magazines with the giant corporate logo? Where is my regular 1-hour indie music programme segment on my local TV with the giant corporate logo? Where is my regular quality gigs featuring local indie bands with the giant corporate logo? Where is my major record labels lining up to sign indie bands? Of course it's not suffering, but it's not exactly helping either is it? But what i'm ultimately saying is: IT'S NOT THE CORPORATES FAULT it's the indie music scene's failure to ASK FOR A BETTER MUSIC ENVIRONMENT Please try to get it this time, okay? at least try. "Kalau tak suka, jangan kacau" Wow, this sounds so much like the quotes our YBs and MPs say in public when met with criticisms. On the Chinese government's criticisms about Malaysia's security during the Mongolian woman murder investigation: "if they think Malaysia's not safe, they can get out of the country." Makes great sense and great argument... "This is at least what those 'sell out' bands do, at least they don't go around dictating how other bands should operate." did i call anyone a "sell-out" in my writings? please quote me if i had because all i see here is you calling people sell-outs. have i been dictating what bands should do? all i've been saying is, GET A BETTER DEAL FOR YOURSELVES. if you think that's dictating or harsh judging, i think that falls into the realm of "your problem". i don't think anyone's a sell-out, not disagree, not pop shuvit and not any other band who has labels and logos stuck to them. i'm just saying if they're gonna stick a label and a logo on you, you might as well ask them for what you're worth. Get it?
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| posted by Echoaddict, Mon 21.01.200817:14:38 PM |
| ya kinda true. the corporates dont even really promote the real ideas of the art, the band and the real meaning of the indie culture such like DIY spirit and creativity freedom..or they dont even have the enough room in the media to introduce the art. all they're doing is sell sell sell. great article there. awaken me. COOL! lol
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| posted by Corporate Comformist, Mon 21.01.200816:31:31 PM |
| Phang, You still believe there is something essentially wrong with a corporate adding its branding on the scene or a band. I still state that it is arrogance to think so, or to apply your values on the way other bands wish to conduct their business. So Disagree happened to have PanGlobal's logo on their album because the company paid for their recording. Does this annoy you? How actually does the scene suffer from it? The truth is, it doesn't. The scene doesn't suffer in any way at all, whether Disagree has Panglobal logo on its album or not, or whether the most underground band ever refuses to play Rock the World. It's not really as big a deal as you make it seem. The scene will just go on, bands who are not hung up will continue being posterboys for Celcom, and the bands who want their dignity will keep on writing articles like the one you have written. But the mantra one should apply ought to be: "Kalau tak suka, jangan kacau" This is at least what those 'sell out' bands do, at least they don't go around dictating how other bands should operate. And by the way, I din't even realise you had a band, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.
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| posted by Phang, Sat 19.01.200822:11:13 PM |
| dear corporate conformist (might i add "angry"?), i'm sorry, but again, i feel that you've completely missed the point, and your previous post somehow signifies the fact that you do not wish to have an open mind to even consider what i've actually tried to say, which for one: it's not an article or a post about indie anti-corporate sentiments. but since you have your mind pretty much made up, i shall only address the points you've repeated again, if only to allow our readers to have a point of clarity as to what i've said and not said. there is nothing new from your previous post, as such i can only assume you have not (try to) comprehend what i said. i basically said: indie bands need to be more mature and ask for what they obviously deserve when dealing with corporates. i did not say: indie bands shouldn't deal with corporates. is this self-defeating idealism? well, for one, i don't think we should shun away from gigs sponsored by corporates, we just need to know how ask for stuff that would benefit us, like decent equipment, decent sound operators, decent payment, no monkey business like dressing up in some billboard t-shirt or shouting some slogan on stage or subjected to image-overhauls making us people we're not or slapped in the background like a musical backdrop with the company's CEO flashing his teeth on stage. for two, i say welcome major recording labels if they come to you, just try to make sure they let you explore and improve your music freely, retain your creative power in both your music and your image, refuse crap shows like some old rich dude's company dinner, get shows that would truly get you and your music out there. i basically said: indie bands should draw our bottom lines. i did not say: hold thee's moral ground against all corporates and be forever indie-holy what war? "selling out"? anti-corporate politics? radiohead has god-like status in my book and they pretty much function in a corporate manner as a band. Bjork has appeared in many corporate-sponsored events and i adore her music. Sigur Ros has an agent that deals with all their overseas performances to the dime and i wish i had half their musical capabilities. Butterfingers used to be signed to a big recording label in Malaysia and they're still Malaysia's living legends in my book. Love Me Butch is not only signed to a label, but Meng actually runs one with absolute corporate efficiency, and to me, their performances are way too good to be missed. what all these bands and musicians have in common is this: corporate systems are tools, the ultimate point is always about the music and its dignity. there are lines to be drawn, play the system, not be played. i basically said: work with corporates with your dignity intact. i did not say: work with corporates and you're doomed. i don't know about you friend, but the only baggage i have loaded is the pressure to improve my musical capabilities and the financial baggage to put an album out. you're right about the break-up thing tho, it does get kinda hard to get people to stay committed in Malaysia, kinda like marriage sometimes :) is my music more valuable or better or purer? well, musical tastes defer, and bitching about KAMI and Nokia isn't the only thing i do with my time :) i basically said: it's your music and it's your image, work with them, but don't let them crush those things just because they can cough up the dough, chances are, they'll cough up the dough anyway, but're you should be in charge. i did not say: let's all bitch about the corporates, it makes our music morally cool that way. and please, when i write i write as phang, my band has nothing to do with this, you can insult me, but it's kinda childish to dragged my band into this, don't you think? you're right, corporates will be corporates. i basically said: it's about time indie bands learn how to deal with corporates and ask for what we deserve. i did not say: corporates should change the way they do business. it's okay that you wish not to consider someone else's points and arguments, and it's fine you're not willing to address the points i've made in your "rebuttals" but please, try not to put words in my mouth. i think i've stated my points clear enough and have sufficiently outlined the fact that they're not what you think. everything you need for a rebuttal is all here, as such, i refuse to reply any of your posts that do not add any new points to the argument and more importantly, do not address the points i've made. thank you very much for your time.
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| posted by Corporate Conformist, Sat 19.01.200819:59:33 PM |
| Hi Phang, Thanks for your reply. My point, which I would like to clarify, is that your whole article, and your subsequent posts and replies to my initial post, is nothing but self-defeating idealism. All you underground folk want to appear like you are fighting some righteous war, and you disapprove of anyone who doesn't care about 'selling out'. Well, maybe some people just want to play music and have an audience, to hell with the anti-corporate politics. You load yourselves with so much baggage before being able to release even one album, if you manage not to break up before then. Newsflash my friend, hardworking local bands like Popshuvit for example don't care about all this, they work hard and they've gotten better at what they do over the years, they achieve milestone after milestone while all you bitter undergrounders bitch about KAMI and nokia selling out the underground scene, then you justify your moral high ground by supposing that your music is somehow more valuable or better or purer than a 'sellout' band like Estranged or Popshuvit. Stop this. The argument is stale, is old. You can bitch about it for the next 10 years and it'll still be the same, corporates will be corporates. Time to think of a fresh perspective.
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| posted by Phang, Fri 18.01.200823:01:10 PM |
| To Ron: i shall refrain myself from naming names :) but i think we need only check ourselves: indie music to me has always been about the music first and foremost, everything else just happens to come along the way. as for the corporates, you have your friendly TV station 8TV, Nokia, from a few years back Pan Global, and of course, our friendly telcos whose ads have shown kids playing music with triviality so many times. To Corporate Conformist: i'm sorry but i think you're completely missing the point here. i apologize since obviously i have not made it clear enough in my article. basically what i'm trying to say is this: should we say no completely to corporates? of course not. but should we let corporations use our music, our most precious selves to no end without considering our own image and our own honesty to our work? heck no. so what am i saying? i'm saying it's great that corporates and media are taking notice of us, but it's not great when they don't even understand what we're about and basically just treat us as tools for corporate image promotion because indie music equals the youth market, associate yourselves with it, you get kids buying your stuff or at least think you're cool. why don't they understand us and should they? they won't even if they should, because corporates will be corporates, cash and image return is all they call care about and that's fine. but the reason the corporates can swing us any way they want is because indie musicians ourselves fail to understand our role in the big equation - they need us more than we need them - and that gives us the position to bargain, and most importantly, to represent us the way we should be represented. here's an example: Bittersweet plays a lot of 8TV shows these days. what would be your reaction to that? the most common one i'd venture is "Woah, great for Bittersweet". i'm saying it should be the other way round, i'm saying it should be "it's goddamn lucky of 8TV to be able to ask Bittersweet to play." why should the corporates take centre stage and indie musicians serve as cool footnotes? shouldn't we at least be on equal status? but that isn't what's happening now is it? and so my point is simply this, be it an arrogant statement, the indie scene is not ready, because A: some of us are not even sure what we're doing, B: we're not developed physically as in, there is no indie industry. the indie scene should realize its social potential by now and bank in on it without losing its bearing, but we don't. thanks for thinking i'm cool just because i wrote a piece here. no offense to kakiseni but i would've thought being cool would mean if i wrote for Rolling Stones Magazine instead. and i do have a thankless 9-5 corporate job. haven't you read? we indie musicians need day jobs. To K. Selamat: Your negativity in noting the shallowness of "indie" kids is duly noted, but i know more than just a hand full of bands and musicians who truly knows what it means to be an indie musician, and well, it's certainly much much more than just fame, money, babes and bling, in fact, none of these come to play at all :) i think you have a problem understanding an event sponsored by a corporate and a show solely made to promote a corporate. Rock the World and Street Roar both have corporate sponsorships, but the centre of attention are the bands, the crowd and the music, not the corporates, this is what we call sponsorship, we're the main piece, they're the footnotes. the recent 8TV show at 1 Utama was a show for the TV station, the bands are a whole list of cool motifs to decorate the place. the Nokia KAMI sniplet drama is a show that promotes Nokia's product via obvious product placements, using the flimsy story about indie kids as a mere vehicle. see the difference?
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| posted by K. Selamat, Fri 18.01.200804:11:10 AM |
| I truly feel for those who are slighted and disappointed by all these "promising" bands who hungrily munched all these skinny carrots dangled by these keeper of finance, bigger amps and TV-sized fame. You people must have been too blind to see it but isn't it obvious that most of these "indie" kids and your cool swinging bands are only in it for the whole vacuous "rock'n'roll" trip? Fame, money, babes and bling! There's nothing much in-between and these kids don't care about anything! And why should they? Even Citizens of Ice-Cream played Street Roar 2006 and that was festooned with Tiger Beer sponsorship wasn't it?
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| posted by dill ze awesome, Mon 14.01.200811:34:55 AM |
| you spelled gg's name wrong haha! gii is teeth la. great article btw. best baca.
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| posted by Corporate Conformist, Mon 14.01.200808:33:48 AM Readers say: |
| I'm tired of hearing this underground anti-corporate rhetoric. It is so cliche. And also arrogant of the writer to speak for the whole indie scene. Everybody knows that being in a band or writing for kakiseni is inherently 'cool' no matter how much you apologize for it. If you are really so concerned about not appearing cool, why don't you try something uncool, like a thankless 9-to-5 corporate job.
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| posted by ron, Wed 09.01.200810:44:06 AM |
| hi phang, can you give us some examples of instances where corporates have misrepresented the indie scene, and also, which are the bands who are too willing to jump into this cool bandwagon? :)
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| posted by phang, Mon 07.01.200810:11:16 AM |
| well, to put it blantly, by "corporate involvement" i actually mean that businesses are putting on a cloak of cool over indie music and some of the bands without really understanding and respecting what indie music is all about, then utilising this image of cool as an association to their own brands but without giving indie music and musicians our dued reward as exchange. but what i find most disheartening, disturbing and disappointing is the fact that musicians themselves long for the aforementioned attention by the corporates without truly understanding their own value, and some music fans merely nod to the perpetuated cool image without actually realising we're really being ripped off our creative and indie dignity for nothing in return.
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| posted by Curious bystander, Sat 05.01.200820:36:08 PM |
| Hi Phang, I don't know anything about the indie music scene, so I'm curious to know what you mean when you talk about "corporate involvement". What are they doing to the music?
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